GPC - The morbid money systgem etc.

Fri Aug 1 15:47:11 EDT 2003

Hi Don,

I agree that a humane money system is central to the concept of a fair and
sustainable world commnity. But as Staffor Beer and other cyberneticists,
systems analysts etc. have stressed we need a holistic approach to such
radical reform. Just as we dare not overlook the morbid aspects of
monetarism we also must keep in mind biodiversity, re-shaping our
environmental footprints, codifying/adjudicating and implementing global law
and order with repect for cultural diversity to minimize destructive
conflict, etc. Such objectives you usefully categorize as stage 1, for
immediate promotion, stage 3 for an ultimate ideal world, and stage 2
intermediate proposals.
I look forward to your suggestions on how to prioritize these aspects (if
that is your intention), and copy this to Ted Trainer and Shann Turnbull who
may help such endeavors.
    I'm adding an outline of ISPO at the end in case Ted hasn't contacted
it.
    --    Doug Everingham
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From: Don Chisholm <donchism at magma.ca>
To: "Doug Everingham" <dnevrghm at powerup.com.au>
Cc: Gaia Preservation Coalition <gaiapc at envirolink.org>,
troy_davis at yahoo.com
Subject: Re: GPC A couple of things
Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2003 6:24 AM

At 02:03 PM 6/30/2003 +1000, Doug Everingham wrote:
Don,

I agree that joining forces among NGOs is necessary for the aims of ISPO
and GPC - for the new grass roots "syper-power", "we, the people" to
overrule monetocracy for a just and sustainable world.

Hi Doug:
Hi Doug:
I just finished re-reading Gaian Democracies, and recommend it to anyone who
has pondered the nature of essential social change  book ordering data
available at www.democracy.org <http://www.democracy.org/> .

You said:
>I do not think it is necessary to create a new coalition.  Let's combine
forces with coalitions that exist and encourage them to merge,
cross-affiliate or cooperate increasingly. Among these coalitions are:<
continued to below

While merge, cross-affiliate or cooperate, will help, it seems to me that
finding a road toward sustainability will require much more than just that.

I have believed for some time that any planned social change that does not
address and plan to change the nature of money, and the general assessment
of wealth, will accomplish little better that re-arrangement of the deck
chairs on the Titanic.

As Gaian Democracies states on page 11, and makes similar references later
on: The systemic purpose of the Global Monetocracy is the continuation of
the money growth in order to maintain the current debt-based money system. 

If this is the case, and it certainly seems so to me, then all other social
change initiatives (that I’m aware of) are and will be working at a sub-tier
level to the human made fundamental systemic flaw in modern human
civilization.  Even people like Bill Krehm, of COMER, do not suggesting a
change in this most basic area.

This is not to say that the majority of such efforts are not worthwhile and
should be supported, i.e: ISPO, or the ones listed by Doug, or many others.

It is in such discussion that the ideas of phasing might begin to help.  In
my opinion, Gaian Democracies sets the stage for clearer discussions on
Phase III change (distant future), and yet by suggesting that a political
party may soon emerge the writers, Mandron/Turnbull leave the door open for
an entry point in the very near future, Phase I or II.

This ramble might not make much sense to anyone who has not read some other
discussions over the past year or so.  I suppose I’d best expand this into a
sort of essay, in a day or so.  Also, I expect to have a suggestion on how
GPC might help with the Gaian Democracies efforts.
Don Chisholm

1). GPAM, the Global People's Assembly Movement, <www.ourvoices.org
<http://www.ourvoices.org/> >,
which grew out of Kofi Annan's Millennium NGOs/CSOs Forum and whose
active officer Rob Wheeler has aleading role in

2). the tri-lingual (Eng Fr Sp)
WP21 Alliance Forum on a World Parliament for the 21st Century,
E-mail : world-parl at forums.alliance21.org    Fax 1 717 264 5036
Web site: http://www.alliance21.org/forums/info/world-parl
<http://www.alliance21.org/forums/info/world-parl>
Information, inscriptions, désinscriptions: germa at alliance21.org,
general agenda
http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl/2003-05/msg00060.html
<http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl/2003-05/msg00060.html>
forum rules
http://www.alliance21.org/forums/d_read/world-parl/forum%20rules/
<http://www.alliance21.org/forums/d_read/world-parl/forum%20rules/>
sent messages
http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl
<http://www.alliance21.org/forums/arc/world-parl>

3). The World  Citizen Foundation  http://www.worldcitizen.or
<http://www.worldcitizen.or/>
(Troy Davis E-mail:  troy_davis at yahoo.com

    --    Doug Everingham
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>From: Don Chisholm <donchism at magma.ca>
>To: gaiapc at envirolink.org
>Subject: GPC A couple of things
>Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2003 11:39 PM
>

>First:
>I'd like to welcome to our list, "Diana Shields" <dilynnshields at hotmail.com>.
>Diana heard of us through contact with John Croft, and gaiafoundationwa. as
>she asked if there was a similar group in Canada.  She has travelled
>internationally working as a ESL (English as Second Language), and has
>studied and worked in various places in Canada, now living near
>Edmonton.  I'm looking forward to exchanges with Diana.
>
>Second:
>Thanks Bruce, for your recent COMER article on Gaian Democracies by John
>Jopling and Roy Madron.  Some of you might not know that Roy has been a
>long time GPC member, and is on this listserver.
>
>As Bruce's article points out, a conclusion of the book is that a
>sustainable civilization can never be achieved with the exiting global
>monetocracy in place.  If you dwell on this little tit bit of information
>for a few moments you soon grasp the enormity of change that would be
>required to alter the heading/momentum of civilization, as we know
>it.  Such thoughts are generally unthinkable my the vast majority of
>people.   But not all.
>
>The article I posted June 6,  GPC Fwd: Economic Super Imperialism goes a
>long way to verify the Mandron/Jopling conclusion.  The interview
>: >Financing the War, Financing the World By STANDARD SHAEFER< and his
>interview with writer/economist  Michael Hudson, author of Super
>Imperialism, Pluto Press, 2003), shows how the rest fo the world has been
>hood-winked into financing the US foreign trade deficient for the past
>three decades.  I noted that Doug Everingham cc'ed this article to a large
>number of Australian Senators.  With such information in the open, and the
>growing resentment against the current US regime, it feels to me that
>something significant is about to happen in the world order of things.
>
>While we have no solid clue about just what might happen in our chaotic
>world, it seems to me that we may as well embrace the thought that major
>fiscal and social reform could eventually turn positive, if there were some
>viable ideas on the table.
>
>A week ago I emailled Roy to ask what GPC might do to help with their
>efforts.  Roy had just returned from Porto Alegro, and said he'll get back
>to me in a week or so.
>
>In case it's of use, I've started to go through the SNIG proposal,
><http://www.gaiapc.ca/case-snig-a.htm
<http://www.gaiapc.ca/case-snig-a.htm> >.  I'll tailor it a more toward the
>Gaian Democracies initiatives, and I'll remove all references to
>Simultaneous Policy Organization.
>
>The reason for the SP removal, is this.  Having noticed that, in my
>opinion, progress in SP membership was far to slow to be effective, I had
>written the outline for a stakeholder organization (SNIG) so a group of
>social change organizations might come together as a common force for
>change, thus enhancing the SP possibilities, while giving a synergetic
>boost for changes as promoted by other organizations.  Unfortunately, John
>Bunzl saw the SNIG proposal as a competitor to ISPO, and he forbid me to
>even mention it on any SP listserver.  So much for attempt to reach out to
>others!
>
>Nevertheless, I still think the stakeholder organization is worthwhile, and
>I'll let you know when I've revised the text, for your comments.  Or
>comments now would be good too.
>Don Chisholm
>
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OUTLINE OF I.S.P.O. (International Simultaneous Policy Organization)

Countries compete for capital and jobs. To urge globalizing capital to come,
to stay, to employ local people,  governments cut down on taxing and
regulating transnational business. That's called 'national competition
policy'.
    Adopters of ISPO -- the International Simultaneous Policy Organization
-- are developing policies that should put first "we, the people" and the
environment. Those who register provisionally for SP -- the Simultaneous
Policy -- declare voting preference for SP adopters. When virtually every
rival country agrees with any SP proposal, they undertake to pass the laws
required. But only to do so when the others do the same -- so global finance
and corporations would find no competing regime where they could escape from
such fair public regulations.
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