AR-News: US - LA - New Hog Dog Bill

Political Animal politicalanimal13 at
Sun Jun 6 14:28:28 EDT 2004

The opinion piece below that was submitted to ar-news
below is riddled with errors.  A factual response is
necessary to set the record straight.

The bill passed in Louisiana clearly bans any hog dog
fighting event in which dogs and hogs make physical

Of course a few of the hog dog fighters are trying to
find wiggle room around the law.  That is to be
expected.  But come August 15th, those people will end
up in jail if they continue with what they are doing.

Of course the bill does not address that swine in LA
have to be tested for diseases.  To mention what is
already law would be redundant and legislation is not
written to be redundant.

Of course it does not address disposal of waste from
hog dog fights.  The bill was not designed to regulate
waste disposal from these events, but rather to ban
these events.

Of course the bill does not address how the hogs are
to be treated once captured, as the idea was not to
regulate their housing, but ban the fights.

Of course the bill does not discuss pigs being
intelligent. How intelligent pigs are does not matter.
 An unintelligent animal should be spared from cruelty
just as much so as an intelligent one.

People, come August 15th, these places will either
have to close or get arrested.  

Social movements must embrace victories, not
constantly make up reasons to be discouraged.  This
bill will lead to these places being closed no matter
how intent the hog dog fighters are on continuing with
their bloodsport.  The local police cannot ignore this
when the media throughout the state is watching, as
they are now.

The hog dog fighters will pay the price and the pigs
will be spared.

--- KsAPigButt at wrote:
> Below is an article concerning just 2 of probably
> many hog dog fight events 
> held in LA.  The hog dog fighting has become very
> popular from FL to CA.  One 
> reason for it's popularity growth among animal
> fighters and criminal alike and 
> which attracts so much illegal gambling, drug and
> weapons dealing, and a list 
> of other vile activities, is because these people
> know that local and state 
> authorities don't want to get involved.  The animal
> fighting itself is not the 
> main attraction, although it's a great avenue for
> those who love to kill 
> animals, but the money that can be made from both
> the operating side and the 
> participating side of these events, in addition to
> the extra curricular activities is 
> so lucrative.
> A newly passed law was meant to stop actual hog-dog
> fights in Louisiana, but 
> as lax as the LA officials are to investigate any of
> these events to ascertain 
> if animal cruelty is being committed, chances are
> this bill will not change 
> that.  In fact, it will make it that much harder to
> get an investigation for 
> complaints.  Forget charges and convictions.  In
> addition, the wording of the 
> bill is left open to interpretation by law
> enforcement and the courts.  The bill 
> says it is illegal for any hog dog fights, trials,
> or whatever name they want 
> to use for these events "in which it is intended or
> reasonably foreseeable 
> that canines or hogs would be injured, maimed,
> mutilated or killed."  Excuse me, 
> but will someone please tell me the last time they
> saw a dog trained to hunt 
> and kill pass up a prey animal with disinterest. 
> All the operators and 
> participants have to do, which they're already
> doing, is to say they do not 
> intentionally mean to cause any harm to the dogs or
> hogs, and it would be up to law 
> enforcement to prove otherwise.....providing there
> *is* any intervention by law 
> enforcement to begin with.  The bill also says dogs
> are allowed to bite the 
> pigs "providing points are taken off."  Isn't that
> special?  That should make 
> the pigs feel so much safer.
> The bill does nothing to address the fact that live
> animals are being 
> trapped, bought (usually from out of state and
> transported across state lines), held 
> captive by the operators,  are thrown over and over
> again into arenas with 
> attacking dogs, until the pigs either die from
> injuries, starvation, dehydration, 
> or cardiac and/or respiratory arrest brought on by
> the stress and fear.
> I would also like to remind people that pigs are
> classified as the 4TH 
> intelligent being, out ranked only by humans (HA!),
> apes, and dolphins.  They have 
> the awareness and sensitivity levels, and cognitive
> thinking abilities of a 2 
> to 4 year old human child.  These pigs KNOW they are
> not thrown into pens and 
> arenas for a tea party!  They are WELL aware that
> their lives are in danger!  
> They are also like elephants in that they do not
> forget what humans and dogs 
> and other predators do to them.  A pig is so
> intelligent that when he is faced 
> with certain death, he will actually lie down w/o
> the least bit of fight or 
> resistance.  He does this for 2 reasons which shows
> their cognitive thinking 
> ability.  He has enough sense to know one of two
> things will happen: 1) the 
> predator might think he's ill or will otherwise lose
> interest in pursuing the 
> attack, or 2) he is saving his energy in the event
> there is the slightest chance of 
> him being able to escape.  He also has enough common
> sense to know those are 
> his only 2 options of survival b/c if the fight goes
> on, he knows there is no 
> way he will win.  The only means of protection these
> wild boars have is to gore 
> his predator with his tusks...providing he/she's old
> enough to have any.  In 
> these hog dog fights, their tusks are cut off with
> bolt cutters.  The boars do 
> not stand a chance.  There is nothing fair or
> sportsmanlike with these 
> events.  The pigs stand as less of a chance for
> survival than if you through them 
> out onto a busy highway or interstate.  Even then,
> there is the slimmest chance 
> the vehicles could miss them.  Not the case in an
> open arena with no where to 
> hide and no where to run from attack dogs.
> The bill also does not address the fact that while
> there are no laws 
> regulating how the hogs are treated when hunted in
> the wild as wild animals, this 
> changes once the pigs are purchased by anyone, and
> held captive on their private 
> property.  The animals then fall under the LA animal
> protection laws as does 
> any other owned animal.  These operators are not
> feeding these pigs.  They are 
> not providing fresh, much less clean, drinking water
> for these pigs.  They are 
> not providing medical attention for the injured
> pigs.  They are not properly 
> disposing of the dead pigs, often leaving the dead
> ones lie in the pens with 
> the live ones.
> The bill does not address the fact that all swine in
> the state of LA have to 
> be tagged or otherwise identified, blood tested for
> pseudorabies and 
> brucelosis, and a health certificate provided by the
> LA State Vet if the pigs test 
> negative.  If they test positive, by law, they are
> supposed to be put down as they 
> can pass the diseases onto humans, food source
> animals, and all other 
> animals.  The dangers of these possible diseases is
> not limited to human and nonhuman 
> animals in LA, but to all other states due to out of
> state participants and 
> their animals coming and going for these "events". 
> At best these wild hogs 
> carry lice and mange.  At worst they could carry
> rabies.  The hogs and dogs do 
> get lose from time to time which endangers everyone
> including the general public 
> outside these events.
> The bill does not address the fact that animals
> brought from one state to 
> another, in addition to being identified, blood
> tested, and having a health 
> certificate from the state vet of origination, they
> must also apply for a permit 
> number and permit from the receiving state.  Once
> there, the vet from the 
> recipient state has to go and check the animals,
> match the tags or other means of 
> identification to the blood test results, and some
> states require they be 
> retested.  To my knowledge, every state requires a
> period of quarantine (usually 30 
> to 60 days) for any new animals entering into a
> state.
> The bill does not address the fact that to be legal,
> the operators should 
> apply for a permit and license from the USDA for an
> exhibitor's license, in 
> addition to requiring current (dated within the last
> 30 days) health certificates 
> for every animal in attendance whether participating
> or not.
> The bill also does not address general health issues
> regarding waste 
> management control for the captive pigs.  In
> addition to other problems, and depending 
> on where the pigs are kept, the run off of waste can
> contaminate underground 
> water supplies.  The gathering and breeding of flies
> and mosquitoes pose more 
> health hazards.  No safe guards have been outlined
> to protect residents from 
> operators setting up pens and arenas next door to
> them as has happened in the 
> town of Clinton, LA.  Those residents, even though
> the operator, Chuck Harris, 
> has moved the pigs from the open property to his
> private property close to 2 
> months ago, and even though the residents have
> complained since January about 
> the stench, flies, and mosquitos, nothing has been
> done to this day to clean up 
> the filth left next to their homes.
> The bill says it's illegal to hold events open to
> the public and sell 
> admittance tickets.  It does not say that
> "donations" can't be accepted as is 
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